[darfox8]

Redpanda, I know as well as anyone how Kenzo can be a whirlpool of semantic arguments(he finds it fun and if you don't you have to stop the buck quick or you'll have a very annoying evening), but this isn't really one of those cases. He's not calling you racist or trying to trick you. This is just a sensitive topic and your'e far less flippant about it than someone like Cross, who agrees with you 100%, but will only take quick jabs at this to stir shit.

I'm far less eloquent than you or kenzo. For me it starts and stops with representation(which is why Cross was trying to stir shit by not letting us use that word). You can feel bad because you can't relate to these character's new black skin, or you can look past their skin to see what you actually related with the character to begin with, their character. You'll survive.

Now you may say that black people should do the same I told you to do, relate to the character not the skin color. Well they have been, for 60 years and counting. They've survived and so will you. Let these characters reflect their audience.

[CrossXhunteR]

I don't mind that Iris is black. I mind that people get upset that people are upset about it.

[darfox8]

If you're upset about Iris being black you're displaying strange vanity at best, racism at worst. I'm not going to sit back while nerds display impotent rage at progress. I'm going to call them on it.

[LiQuid]

Iris isn't a very black name. They should have changed her to Sharonda West.

[LiQuid]

Seriously name one black person named Iris tho.

[kenzo]

Seriously name one black person named Iris tho.

[LiQuid]

Looks Japanese to me.

[meDotJS]

She's from New York.

Though I think she's supposed to be Middle Eastern.

[meDotJS]

What's the point of secret identities in these shows?

[kenzo]

Pretty much just a threadbare excuse so that the police stay away.

[kenzo]

Are we finally going to get Cisco being Vibe??

[kenzo]

"Ferris Air? I thought they closed this place down."

"They did, after one of their test pilots went missing."

[Mr_eX]

"Ferris Air? I thought they closed this place down."

"They did, after one of their test pilots went missing."

It's probably not going to happen

[kenzo]

It's probably not going to happen

Shhhhh let me have my moment

I do feel though that we've seen a LOT of Coast City and GL references lately. If they wanted to, they've definitely laid some foundation to bring GL into the fold next season.

[kenzo]

Ho-le-shiiiiiiiiiiit DAT finale, dawg!

[Mr_eX]

They really went for it with the CG

[Mr_eX]

Killer Frost

[Master Higgins]

God tier.

[LiQuid]

Yo there's so much dadporn in this show holy shit. Dadporn for realdad. Dadporn for blackdad. Where does it end?

[LiQuid]

Show is generally pretty good so far. I only watched 2 eps. I really don't like this show and Arrow's (first season) style of monster-of-the-week villains that are underdeveloped, aside from some throwaway monologue backstory. I wish they took the time to develop each of these guys like Weather Wizard and Multiplex more over the course of a couple episodes. They don't have to be full season, overarching plots like they did with Merlyn and Deathstroke, but why won't like 3-5 episode "arcs" work in a show like this? Instead of the "Who shot JR?" style cliffhangers at the end of every episode that aren't related at all to the episode itself but only seek to deliver a cheap thrill to get you excited for the next episode, they could do some ACTUAL cliffhangers, like cut the episode off mid-fight with the hero in some peril. I really, really don't need to see a new villain introduced and then "killed" in the same episode.

[kenzo]

Yo there's so much dadporn in this show holy shit. Dadporn for realdad. Dadporn for blackdad. Where does it end?

Then there's dadporn later for sciencedad...

[LiQuid]

I suspected as much but since he just shanked that CEO dude I didn't want to jump to conclusions! Man! Fucking dadporn!

[CrossXhunteR]

[LiQuid]

I thought sciencedad was Barry from the future or some dumb shit. That's what they made it look like anyways. Also I don't think it's humanly possible for them to have cast an actor that looks more like grown up Barry. I bet Barry's real life dad doesn't even look that much like him.

[Mr_eX]

Have you watched a Captain Cold episode yet?

[LiQuid]

No. I'm only 3 episodes in and so far this isn't as good as people were saying, but it's still early I guess. The monster of the week plots have been really bad and there's so much more melodrama in this.

[CrossXhunteR]

It is a CW show. It is full of melodrama. Just like comic books.

[LiQuid]

Arrow has been better. Aside from the debacle that is Laurel Lance, Arrow is the better show thru 3 eps.

[LiQuid]

Seriously if I were that actress that plays Lauren in Arrow I would be legit pissed off at how shittily they've written that character's arc.

[kenzo]

I think she's just happy to still be acting/making money at her age.