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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby Mr_eX » May 30th, 2011 @ 3:42pm

kenzo wrote:
Mr_eX wrote:I liked the movie, what more do you need me to say? You want me to nitpick things I didn't like about it(like how they kidnapped that one lady to get their son back but she had never been introduced so it was just some random unknown character that you didn't care about)?
You could explain why you liked the movie?


I don't know if the acting was good because I don't speak Japanese. The directing was good, cinematography was OK at best. The dialogue in the dub wasn't great but I don't blame the movie for that. The plot and main character are what made the movie good. Having said that, I bet I would like A Fistful of Dollars more because I'm sure things were lost in translation in Yojimbo.
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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby kenzo » May 30th, 2011 @ 4:36pm

Mr_eX wrote:I don't know if the acting was good because I don't speak Japanese.
A lot of live-action Japanese acting tends to emphasize more exaggerated acting. It's always looked weird to me, especially considering Japanese culture and communication in general relies on a lot of subtlety to convey meaning and intent. I think though that it's a matter of style that stems from a long history of live play performances that institutionally required exaggerated gestures and characters.

Mr_eX wrote:The directing was good, cinematography was OK at best.
By today's standards, most old films will only have OK cinematography at best, simply because a lot of modern filming techniques and practices simply hadn't been created yet. Interestingly enough, this film, a lot like say Citizen Kane, was groundbreaking in terms of its cinematography.

Mr_eX wrote:I bet I would like A Fistful of Dollars more because I'm sure things were lost in translation in Yojimbo.
Probably. You should go look it up, it's a good film in and of itself. But there really isn't that much lost in translation. A lot of the story is told through the cinematography in ways that most people, regardless of their cultural background, will understand subconsciously:
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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby Mr_eX » May 30th, 2011 @ 5:53pm

People actually compare the cinematography in Yojimbo to Citizen Kane? Citizen Kane's is still great by todays standards.
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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby kenzo » May 30th, 2011 @ 6:11pm

Mr_eX wrote:People actually compare the cinematography in Yojimbo to Citizen Kane?
I don't think you understand what I meant.

Mr_eX wrote:Citizen Kane's is still great by todays standards.
So is Yojimbo, but I wouldn't begrudge anyone for thinking otherwise.
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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby Topaz McGonagol » May 30th, 2011 @ 6:15pm

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jw_6179 wrote:It's not "hyperactive", although it's not really a good reason either. Fast cuts are to disguise poor choreography. When you see that blur of up close action with quick cuts, it's because it's easier to edit together a non-martial artist actor and make it seem like he's competent. Batman can throw punches, kicks, dive about the place, etc. and you don't need to see Christian Bale wobble off balance after every single kick above the knees that he makes.
I get what you're saying, but while that might be the case for some overrated films like The Bourne Identity, how does that explain Transformers? They have all the money and time in the world, and since it's a CG-fest, there's no need to change the camera angle ever.

Just because they have all the time and money they could want does not mean they won't cut corners to save on both.
As for Yojimbo I'm going to watch it tonight and looking forward to it a lot since "A Fistful of Dollars" is one of my favorite movies.
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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby jw_6179 » May 30th, 2011 @ 11:09pm

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That guy speaks with the same tempo of fucking Microsoft Sam, haha.

Know why I like A Fistful of Dollars more? The sound. The drawl of Eastwood, the amazing soundtrack by Ennio Morricone, the one thing that always lets me down a little with the old Kurosawa films are his sound. Leone does a great job in his Spaghetti Westerns of added an extra edge to the tension of a scene with fantastic sound and a good use of Morricone's themes, and that's just missing from Yojimbo. Since it's pretty much a shot-by-shot remake, visually they are similar films, but I personally feel "A Fistful of Dollars" walks away with it through superior sound and such an iconic performance of "The Man With No Name". However, I will admit I am probably biased a bit by Eastwood because of him playing pretty much the same role in "The Good, The Bad and the Ugly", which is a fucking awesome film.
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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby kenzo » May 31st, 2011 @ 12:03am

jw_6179 wrote:However, I will admit I am probably biased a bit by Eastwood because of him playing pretty much the same role in "The Good, The Bad and the Ugly", which is a fucking awesome film.
That's probably a lot of it. I love the soundtrack to Yojimbo a lot more - it has that distinct 60s feel of a traditional orchestra mixed with jazz influences and a hint of more exotic Japanese instruments thrown in. And while some of the audio effects don't sound as crisp, I think that has more to do with the age of the film and it not being preserved as well. Also, Sanjuro is a great character in and of himself - he's got his own great, distinctive drawl and lots of little quirks that just ooze character (like his signature shoulder twitch that's meant to strike the likeness of a wild dog and has been imitated to death ever since).
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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby Mr_eX » May 31st, 2011 @ 6:24am

I acquired A Fistful of Dollars, will watch this week and report back with which one I like more.
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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby tnitnetny » May 31st, 2011 @ 11:26am

Finished watching it and I was definitely amused. They should have put the dog holding the hand in its' mouth as the cover art. Then I wouldn't have mistaken it for a martial arts movie. ;)

Overall it was a good story. There wasn't a lot of character development or backstory, but I wouldn't expect a lot from a Samurai movie in 1961. It was entertaining and that is all that matter to me.
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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby LiQuid » May 31st, 2011 @ 11:27am

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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby Mr_eX » May 31st, 2011 @ 2:21pm

I can see why people like Yojimbo as much as they do but it's nowhere near as good as Rashomon and I never hear people talking about that movie.

Also I found the music in Yojimbo distracting.
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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby totoro » Jun 2nd, 2011 @ 8:03am

Mr_eX wrote:I can see why people like Yojimbo as much as they do but it's nowhere near as good as Rashomon and I never hear people talking about that movie.

Also I found the music in Yojimbo distracting.


Personal preference: out of all of Kurosawa's movies, I probably enjoy watching Yojimbo the most on any given day (also High and Low). It's just easier for me to get into and doesn't feel quite as laborious as something like Rashomon or as emotionally draining as something like Ikiru.

For me I think being born 30 years after Rashomon's release and seeing its influence on western films before seeing Rashomon itself has diluted its impact. I think the cinematography and film editing in all of Kurosawa's films are outstanding and can still be placed among even the most modern movies being released today. Sure the original prints may have degraded over time, but there's still a sense of time and place in every frame.
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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby Konanda » Jun 12th, 2011 @ 6:49am

That was a good film, I quite enjoyed it.
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Re: Moviebox 2 5/29-6/04 - Yojimbo

Postby Raine » Jun 17th, 2011 @ 11:36pm

kenzo wrote:That's probably a lot of it. I love the soundtrack to Yojimbo a lot more - it has that distinct 60s feel of a traditional orchestra mixed with jazz influences and a hint of more exotic Japanese instruments thrown in.

I really didn't like the music at all. It probably didn't help that yesterday I watched that bat-shit crazy Godzilla movie with the Gomer Pyle baby-godzilla, cause it had a similar sound to the music. I kept having flashbacks to it every time the music in Yojimbo played. Anyhoo, Kenzo hit the nail on the head with his cinematography comments. Modern directors really need to learn how to chill the fuck out, let the scene have some breathing room, and let the actors act.
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