The Geekbox: Episode 54

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The Geekbox — Episode 54 (2010-02-23)
Wherein we discuss awesomely creative commercials, green-screening, Burn Notice 3×14, Spartacus, the truth about Fitch’s age, nocturnal releases, BioShock 2 (pretty spoiler-free), The Misadventures of P.B. Winterbottom, Ace Attorney, Lost 6×04 (spoilers!), porno parodies, the million dollar comic, and editorial shakeups at DC Comics. Starring Ryan Scott, Karen Chu, Mike Cruz, Andrew Fitch, and Ryan Higgins.
Running Time: 1h 14m 11s
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13 Responses to “ “The Geekbox: Episode 54”

  1. NDA_infringement_man says:


    i’m a compositor for visual effects for film.

    first of all, yeah that car part commercial was entirely cg. sorry, ryan.

    and yeah, i’ve worked on many things that don’t make any sense to do on greenscreen. For Tv, it is mostly a matter of budget. I don’t work in tv but I have friends at Stargate actually, and friends at Zoic (on lost). It’s easier to do it in post, and more cost effective. For things like courthouses it can be difficult to get permission, so it’s done in post.

    For film it can be a few dfferent factors. Costs, danger, or just the fact that the director or effects supervisor is an idiot and thinks it’s better to shoot 20 minutes of car driving scenes on a windowless, stationary car without even having a wind machine on (still angry about this on Zombieland :p). Mind you other times i’ve had greenscreen car shots that made sense, such as a car chase through the centre of the Vatican in Angels and Demons. If shot properly and composited well, they can look flawless.

    For creatures, most of the time the directors will try to use puppets and then realize that they aren’t good enough and have to completely replace them with CG. Most directors LOVE the idea of doing things practically, but it ends up not working. This happened when I worked on Harry Potter (tried using puppets for some of the mythical creatures), Children of men (the baby) and others. The puppet baby on Children of Men looked liked a ****ing neanderthal baby. seriously terrifying. Of course, in this case, due to laws in place getting a newborn child just isn’t possible.

    And then at the end of a project the director will go do an interview and say ‘we did it all on set!’. Remember when Spielberg said the effects for Indy 4 would be old school? And then the opening shot had a ****ing CG groundhog?! It’s usually just lies because most people don’t like CG for some reason. I guess people love to talk about how something was done practically on set. I could crush a lot of ‘Children of Men’ fans hearts with all the things that weren’t done practically on that film :p

    Either way, there *usually* is a reason for doing it. However, the times when there isn’t a reason is usually when people notice and say ‘well that was ****ing stupid!’.

    sorry that was long

  2. sdf says:

    Ryan’s going back to his previous schedule of spoiling month-old episodes of Lost.

  3. Nelson says:

    It’s almost time for Lost and there’s no podcast 55 yet, I’m getting a little nervous here ;p

  4. Jim says:

    Change the show name to the Grampsbox. 🙂 Never have I heard more late 20’s early 30 year old people sound so crotchety and old. You guys talk about the old days so much it reminds me of that Bullshit episode “Good Ol’ Days”. I love my childhood, born in ’82 , but to yearn for the movie special effects of the 80’s??? yeah no….

    I don’t like noticing CGI in movies just as much as the next guy, but the same goes for noticing bad stop motion effects, bad matte paintings, bad miniatures, or any other effect style that takes you out. Some movies do effects great and in the appropriate moderation, some movies do it poorly and usually also excessively. That’s the issue, not that CG is inherently bad. The original Jaws showed the actual shark for a total of what? maybe a minute of screen time, if they showed it any more than that the illusion would be broken because with more footage shown the more likely you will notice it’s a stiff as a board cardboard 30 foot model. Same goes for CG, movies like the mummy series used a ton of CGI that now looks pretty dated because of how in-your-face it is during the whole movie. On the other hand an even older movie, Saving Private Ryan, had a lot of very subtle CGI that still looks amazing. Or even the first CG in a movie, the Abyss, that still holds up cause they kept it simple and subtle. Implementation is the key.

  5. sdf says:

    I bet Karen’s house looks like Pee-Wee’s kitchen from the Big Adventure. She seems way into the concept and theory of things, rather than practicality and reality of them.

  6. Gorm says:

    That Honda advert you guys mention is pretty old, but really really good.

  7. Mike Cruz says:


    I usually pop up every 90 days or so until one of the Ryans tricks me into saying my name backwards.

  8. Listener says:

    Who the fuck is Mike Cruz?

  9. Max says:

    About the CG blood in Zatoichi: According to the IMDB page, Kitano did this intentionally, wanting to “soften the shock to the audience” due to the high body count. Kitano told the CGI artist he wanted the blood to “look like flowers blossoming across the screen.”

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  11. Nelson says:

    That’s not it but I really appreciate you trying. It’s funny how many of the details from that video match what I was describing but it’s not the video. Now I’m wondering how many videos have been made about that topic. 🙂

  12. buttster says:


    Only thing remotely close to that I can think of is this:

    Bon Jovi – All About Lovin’ You

  13. sdf says:

    Dang, this went all kinds of crazy once Soulja boy got on the scene.

  14. Nelson says:

    I have been trying to find the artist that did the song for this music video I saw on VH1 back in 2007 and it’s killing me. It’s like a slow song or a sad song and the music video stands out because there is a blonde girl and during the course of the whole video she is running to the top of this building to stop this guy from jumping off the roof. I don’t know if the guy is supposed to be her boyfriend or what but I really loved the video and the song and the emotions that it stirred in me.

    If anyone knows the song I’m talking about or the artist PLEASE let me know.

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